On this episode of “Food Lab Talk”, host Michiel Bakker is joined by Kathy Cacciola, global sustainability lead on the Google Food team. Together, they reflect on their thoughts, impressions and learnings from Season 1, including the importance of community in food systems and practical advice for changemakers. Our favorite takeaway: In complex systems, you learn by doing, so get started! 

00:20 Introduction to Kathy Cacciola 

02:15 Kathy’s Season 1 impressions: No ego, reframing food challenges 

03:30 The personal connection, perspectives and positivity 

06:45 Understanding the complexity of food systems 

11:20 Community and moving at the speed of trust 

14:54 Season 1 practical takeaways for changemakers 

16:50 Michiel’s changemaking advice: Frame, orient, mobilize 

19:15 Kathy’s changemaking advice: The value of naysayers 

20:12 The many roles of changemakers 

21:38 Previewing Season 2: Shifting Diets 

24:04 Our parting thought: Food creates relationships 

Links 

• Amy Keister, Compass Group 
• Ashley Zanolli, EPA 
• James Kanoff, The Farmlink Project 
• A-dae Romero-Briones, First Nations Development Institute  
• Adam Litle, Sound Agriculture 
• Neel Ghose, Robin Hood Army 

Don’t miss Season 2 of Food Lab Talk “Shifting Diets,” launching September 2023.  

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*The views expressed by the guests in this podcast don't necessarily represent the host’s views, nor those of his employer.