In today’s episode, we’re joined by Twitter micromobility celebrity Michal Naka (@michalnaka), to talk about scooters, how they’re evolving in hardware and their interactions with cities and what the future might look like. It’s a packed episode.

Specifically we cover:

- How Michal ended up in micromobility through his skepticism of autonomous cars. (5:50->)

- How the most valuable miles travelled are likely to be addressed by micromobility and not autonomous. (9:20->)

- The history of the scooter supply chain.(13:00->)

- The tradeoff that companies are making between opex and capex. (25:50->)

- What future evolutions we’re likely to see in (29:30->)

- How cities are responding to these new business models, and what we’re likely to see in the future. (33:46->)

- How the diffusion theory applies to scooters and their evolution. (40:30->)

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