In this episode, Dwayne and Jennifer sit down with Jake Hamilton for a raw, honest, and deeply needed conversation about the crisis in the church—and what real change can look like.

Together, we confront the fallout of leadership failure, the idolization of platforms, and the silence around broken marriages behind the scenes. Jake shares his personal story of near-collapse: burning out in ministry, nearly losing his marriage, and how repentance, emotional healing, and brotherhood brought restoration.

We talk about masculinity, responsibility, spiritual formation, and the need for leaders to live known—not just celebrated. We also confront the pain and complexity surrounding recent church scandals, including the Mike Bickle situation, and the responsibility we all carry to build something better.

This isn’t just critique—it’s a conversation filled with clarity, hope, and practical wisdom for anyone longing to see the church transformed from the inside out.