Time to tick another Grain Gang whale! The guys are joined by All-Pro First Team in American saison brewing, Tim Clifford of Sante Adairius Rustic Ales (SARA) in picturesque Santa Cruz/Capitola, CA. Tim talks about getting his lengthy stint as a broke homebrewer, the history Masters degree he put to use on the seat of a forktruck, what makes SARA SARA, and discusses how he and co-owner Adair have doubled-down in their commitment to slow growth and authenticity...and that's just the first half! It was an absolute pleasure to have a such a loose, honest, and broad conversation with one of the most interesting figures in American mixed fermentation, Sante, indeed. .............. .............................. ................. Music: "Mountain Climb" by Jake Hill