Part 2 of a conversation between Joanna Rakoff and Tamara Federici leads us down the path of what truly powers Taylor Swift to bring it each night, Joanna’s fear of snakes and snakes in pop music, and the tiny magical Eras tour gift that Joanna learns she missed out on. Bring your heart shaped food and your love of carousel horses to this stadium-sized episode! I don’t know what it means either.

Artwork by Simon Morris Winheld.

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