In this episode, I sit down with the fierce and wise Adrienne Gibson—a therapist, mom, preacher, recent seminary grad, and now co-author with Dr. Scot McKnight (yeah, that Scot McKnight!). Adrienne just finished our She Can Teach training at The Marcella Project, and

y’all—her Palm Sunday sermon was 🔥

We dive deep into the toll life takes on women’s bodies. Adrienne says, “We women are living in

dysregulated bodies—and it’s gonna kill us.” We unpack what that means, how it shows up in

her therapy practice, and how women’s exhaustion isn’t just about busyness—it’s about systems,

trauma, and the deep need for collective care.

Then, we pull back the curtain on complementarianism—what it is, how it harms, and why it’s

not about Jesus. Adrienne shares what trauma research revealed to her about power, patriarchy,

and the stories women bring into her office. It’s raw, real, and deeply relevant.

And because we just celebrated Easter, we talk incarnation, resurrection, and what it means that God gets up. How does that speak to women who feel stuck, silenced, or shattered?

Finally, we get the scoop on Adrienne’s upcoming book and how you can work with her.

This one is for the woman holding everything together and wondering why she feels like she’s

falling apart. You’re not alone—and there’s another way forward.

Forget the mudslinging, the super PACs, and the endless superlatives — what we need in the Oval Office is the guts, grit, and grace of a woman who survived patriarchal oppression, political refugeeship, and raising the Savior of the world. (And did it all without a social media manager.)

We’ll explore how Mary’s life experience — her leadership, her suffering, her faith — makes her more qualified than most modern candidates. Plus, I’ll midrash a little, take a few playful swings at politics-as-usual, and offer a fresh vision for leadership rooted in compassion, courage, and relentless hope.

Because honestly? We don’t just need a President.

We need a Mother.

And Mary gets my vote.