Today on the show, Rob and I discuss a book that tackles ecosystemic problems in a holistic, innovative, and sober way. Climate is highly recommended to anyone out there suffering from feelings of hopelessness or despair with regard to the environment.

In this episode, we cover: the problem with lowering carbon emissions, techno-optimism, climate catastrophism, battling despair, Gaia theory, regenerative agriculture, and the solution to the "overpopulation" problem.