From homophobic or patriarchal religious beliefs to voting against our own interests, it seems that we are all prone to believe things that really don’t serve us in any obvious way. To try to figure out why that might be, I talk with Ryan Mather about attachment theory and psychological defenses as tools for understanding ourselves and others - hopefully with curiosity and compassion.

Ryan is a clinical psychologist and lives with his partner and their two cat children in Chicago.

RECOMMENDED RESOURCES:

• Parenting from the Inside Out
• Aware: The Science and Practice of Presence
• Nancy McWilliams’s work

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I’m Annie Mesaros: a theologian, writer, spiritual guide, and host of this podcast. I offer coaching and facilitation for individuals and groups that are working to transform the world for good. 

Learn more, contact me, and stream the full archive of God Help Us at anniemesaros.com.