In this episode, Nancy Johnston, the new President of WACE (World Association of Cooperative Education) talks with us about her personal development, the WACE organization, and recent accomplishments of WACE. In the second half of the interview, we talk with her about the value of experiential education as an important complement to a course-based classical academic education. She makes a important points about the value of cooperative education (co-op) and other forms of experiential education beyond the critical value for employment including the importance of study abroad experiences in an increasingly borderless world.