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131 Lucee 6 with Gert Franz, Charlie Arehart, Ben Nadel, Mark Drew, Zac Spitzer
Gert Franz, Charlie Arehart, Ben Nadel, Mark Drew, and Zac Spitzer talk about “Lucee 6” in this episode of ColdFusion Alive Podcast with host Michaela Light.
“Welcome to the podcast. We’re coming here live from CF camp in Munich, Germany. And we are going to be talking about Lucee 6, the new release of Lucee CFML. And we’ve got some amazing experts here. Mark Drew who's done a lot of Lucee coding at distro kid. Then we’ve got Charlie Erehart, the ColdFusion troubleshooting expert giving an independent view on Lucee. Then we’ve got Ben Nadal all the way from New York City. And he's the top blogger among ColdFusion people according to our annual survey, and then we got good friends from Lucee Association, Switzerland, coming up at the end, but not least. And on the other screen, if you're watching on video, we have some of the attendees from Sierra camp when we open the set. Yay, go attendee. And we'll be opening up to audience questions later in the show. So why don't we just start by just going through each of the four panelists, and I'm just want to ask you, what are you most excited about in Lucee 6?”
Show notes
What are you most excited about the Lucee 6 release?
It is released! (after 2019 announcement at CFCamp 2019) and years of covid it is finally released :-)
Java integration, easier paths, tag islands
Listeners: query, email, HTTP progress etc
Do want we want to do and add to Lucee independent to ACF
CFconfig, container friendly, cloud friendly now
Fast startup (<1 second), warm up containers
Startup with only One Context halves the startup time
Removed old cruft for flash etc (see shrink label in Lucee jira)
Webinfo folder outside the webroot - more secure - smaller and faster
Pete Freitag Fuseless lamda helped on this
Warmenable = 1 to pre-load these folders
Dot CFS files - pure cf script
How is CFCamp?
Lucee 6 New features
Thread debugging
What does “thread debugging” mean?
Switch to Json configuration - Json config (moved from XML)
Reload config at runtime
Future Json 5 support eg comments https://luceeserver.atlassian.net/browse/LDEV-4583
Features of Ortus CFconfig built into the Lucee CFML language
ACF can export config to Json too as of ACF 2021
12 factor apps https://12factor.net/
some config in environment variables
Eg for production, qa containers
CFtimeout tag
Control how long a section of code runs before forced time out
Raffle Q: How long have each panelist being involved in web devel
Mark 1992
Charlie 1995 mainframe web dev then CF 1.5
Ben 1999 summer intern CF
Gert 2000 with CF
Michaela 1994 Gopher, HTML, PERL 1997 CF
Raffle Q: What is the oldest domain you registered?
Mark markdrew.com - but no lost it and wants it back
Sold miny.com for much money
Charlie systemanage.com
Ben girls and many other domains
Gert gertfranz.com
Michaela teratech.com 1994
Audience 1995 free domain
Spaces and whitespace in code
Ben use lots
Mark loves spaces
Tabs vs spaces
CFlint on compile to reduce java byte code size
Smaller footprint on disk, less memory, faster startup
Removed unused old Java libraries from default
Warm up - expand library images
Performance improvements
DX - Developer experience
Better error messages
Community driven project
for improving DX
For reporting and fixing issues
How to contribute to Lucee
contributing to the code and docs
Testing the new release
Support contracts to contribute money
Zac works for 80% for Pixl8, 20% for Rasia purely on Lucee
UX on download page to ask for help
Patreon
Share about how good Lucee is on your blog, social media
Comment on public forums so the question and answer are google
Dev bottom up, CTO top down (more expensive)
Raffle Q: What is older: CF, PHP, JS
PHP is 4 days older than CF and older than JS by several months
ASP is similar age
CGI and PERL are several years older
Single context mode
What does “single context” mean?
Vs current multi-context in Lucee (and one context in ACF)
Faster server startup
Web sites each have one
Fixing bad CFML defaults
Eg CFLocation AddToken = False is now default
Can set in application.cfc for any parameter eg CFMAIL, Datasource
Local mode
CFtimer tag - to time sections of code, returns the time taken
Favorite Lucee features
Cfscript islands
Pricing
Speed
To what level should Lucee diverge from ACF (if at all)?
Backwards compatibility
Both Lucee and ACF adding new features and learning from each other
Zac and Mart Takarta coordinate improvements
Community evangelists
Audience comment - backwards compatibility is important
Enterprise ACF vs open source Lucee
What was the first open source CFML engine
Early version of BlueDragon CFML? No
Smiths project from Switzerland
Mentioned in this episode
Lucee site
116 Lucee 6 Release Features, Behind-the-Scenes, With Zac Spitzer
12 factor apps https://12factor.net/
Lucee 6 demos for CFCamp https://github.com/lucee/CFCamp2023
Lucee support contracts
Listen to the Audio
Bios
Gert Franz
Gert was born in 1967 and lives in Switzerland since 1997. He is one of the key people behind Lucee. Back in the late eighties, he studied astrophysics in Munich but switched to later IT as a profession and programmed for several companies in the past as a database administrator and system analyst. Gert spoke a lot at all major conferences in the past and will for sure in the future. He is now a fellow at DistroKid.
Links
Email: [email protected]
Website: http://rasia.ch/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/gert_rasia
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gert-franz-4056807/
Charlie Arehart
A veteran server troubleshooter who’s worked in enterprise IT for more than three decades, Charlie Arehart (@carehart) is a longtime community contributor who as an independent consultant provides short-term, remote, on-demand troubleshooting/tuning assistance for organizations of all sizes and experience levels (carehart.org/consulting).
Links
Twitter: https://twitter.com/carehart
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/carehart
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carehart
Web: http://carehart.org/
Ben Nadel
Ben Nadel is the technical co-founder of InVision App, Inc - a digital product design platform used to make the world's best customer experiences. As the original CTO, Ben now spends his days as a Principal Engineer, leading maintenance and development efforts on InVision's legacy platform. This includes systems monitoring, database optimization, instrumentation, back-end work, front-end work, product ideation, and research-and-development. He envisions himself as a champion of the User Experience; and often advocates for the User even in the face of internal opposition.
Outside of work-hours, Ben wakes up at 5 am, seven days a week, so that he can attempt to stay on top of the rapidly changing world of web development. He uses these early-morning hours to read, conduct experiments, and write articles for his blog, BenNadel.com, which he has been running since 2006.
Links
LinkedIn: Ben Nadel | LinkedIn
Blog: Ben Nadel blog
Mark Drew
Mark Drew has been programming CFML since 1996, and even though he has had forays into Perl, ASP and PHP, he is still loving every line of code he has crafted with CFML.
He has been a strong advocate for open source, having worked on CFEclipse, Railo and now Lucee, as well as a number of other projects. He tries to create a pull request a day, to keep the bugs at bay.
By day he helps other developers as the lead devops engineer at DistroKid, making sure that the carefully crafted artesanal code goes from laptop to server in the shortest time whilst keeping all its flavour. By night he develops games with CMD:Studio.
He has been known to do a podcast too! called the Localhost Podcast in which we talk all about the web. He also talks about the process of making games on the Level Design Podcast
Links
Twitter: https://twitter.com/markdrew
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew
CFML Slack
Email: [email protected]
https://anchor.fm/leveldesign
https://localhost.fm/
Zac Spitzer
Senior Software Engineer @ Rasia
80% Technical Lead @ Pixl8
20% Community Manager @ Lucee Association Switzerland
Originally from Melbourne, Australia
Lives in Berlin, Germany
CFML Developer since 1996, Allaire CF 2.0
Links
https://twitter.com/zackster
https://dev.lucee.org/u/zackster/
https://github.com/zspitzer
Email [email protected]
Interview transcript
Michaela Light 0:01
welcome to the podcast. We’re coming here live from CF camp in Munich, Germany. And we have going to be talking about Lucee 6 the new release of Lucee CFML. And we’ve got some amazing experts here. But Mark true. who’s done a lot of Lucee coding at distro kid. Then we’ve got Charlie Earhart, the ColdFusion troubleshooter shooting expert or giving an independent view on Lucee. Then we’ve got Ben Nadal all the way from New York City. And he’s the top blogger among ColdFusion people according to our annual survey, and then we got good friends from Lucee Association, Switzerland, coming up at the end, but not least. And on the other screen, if you’re watching on video, we have some of the attendees from Sierra camp when we open the set. Yay, go attendee. And we’ll be opening up to audience questions later in the show. So why don’t we just start by just going through each of the four panelists and I'm just want to ask you, what are you most excited about in Lucee 6?
Gert Franz 1:09
That it’s here.
Well,
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Gert Franz, Charlie Arehart, Ben Nadel, Mark Drew, and Zac Spitzer talk about “Lucee 6” in this episode of ColdFusion Alive Podcast with host Michaela Light.
“Welcome to the podcast. We’re coming here live from CF camp in Munich, Germany. And we are going to be talking about Lucee 6, the new release of Lucee CFML. And we’ve got some amazing experts here. Mark Drew who's done a lot of Lucee coding at distro kid. Then we’ve got Charlie Erehart, the ColdFusion troubleshooting expert giving an independent view on Lucee. Then we’ve got Ben Nadal all the way from New York City. And he's the top blogger among ColdFusion people according to our annual survey, and then we got good friends from Lucee Association, Switzerland, coming up at the end, but not least. And on the other screen, if you're watching on video, we have some of the attendees from Sierra camp when we open the set. Yay, go attendee. And we'll be opening up to audience questions later in the show. So why don't we just start by just going through each of the four panelists, and I'm just want to ask you, what are you most excited about in Lucee 6?”
Show notes
What are you most excited about the Lucee 6 release?
It is released! (after 2019 announcement at CFCamp 2019) and years of covid it is finally released :-)
Java integration, easier paths, tag islands
Listeners: query, email, HTTP progress etc
Do want we want to do and add to Lucee independent to ACF
CFconfig, container friendly, cloud friendly now
Fast startup (<1 second), warm up containers
Startup with only One Context halves the startup time
Removed old cruft for flash etc (see shrink label in Lucee jira)
Webinfo folder outside the webroot - more secure - smaller and faster
Pete Freitag Fuseless lamda helped on this
Warmenable = 1 to pre-load these folders
Dot CFS files - pure cf script
How is CFCamp?
Lucee 6 New features
Thread debugging
What does “thread debugging” mean?
Switch to Json configuration - Json config (moved from XML)
Reload config at runtime
Future Json 5 support eg comments https://luceeserver.atlassian.net/browse/LDEV-4583
Features of Ortus CFconfig built into the Lucee CFML language
ACF can export config to Json too as of ACF 2021
12 factor apps https://12factor.net/
some config in environment variables
Eg for production, qa containers
CFtimeout tag
Control how long a section of code runs before forced time out
Raffle Q: How long have each panelist being involved in web devel
Mark 1992
Charlie 1995 mainframe web dev then CF 1.5
Ben 1999 summer intern CF
Gert 2000 with CF
Michaela 1994 Gopher, HTML, PERL 1997 CF
Raffle Q: What is the oldest domain you registered?
Mark markdrew.com - but no lost it and wants it back
Sold miny.com for much money
Charlie systemanage.com
Ben girls and many other domains
Gert gertfranz.com
Michaela teratech.com 1994
Audience 1995 free domain
Spaces and whitespace in code
Ben use lots
Mark loves spaces
Tabs vs spaces
CFlint on compile to reduce java byte code size
Smaller footprint on disk, less memory, faster startup
Removed unused old Java libraries from default
Warm up - expand library images
Performance improvements
DX - Developer experience
Better error messages
Community driven project
for improving DX
For reporting and fixing issues
How to contribute to Lucee
contributing to the code and docs
Testing the new release
Support contracts to contribute money
Zac works for 80% for Pixl8, 20% for Rasia purely on Lucee
UX on download page to ask for help
Patreon
Share about how good Lucee is on your blog, social media
Comment on public forums so the question and answer are google
Dev bottom up, CTO top down (more expensive)
Raffle Q: What is older: CF, PHP, JS
PHP is 4 days older than CF and older than JS by several months
ASP is similar age
CGI and PERL are several years older
Single context mode
What does “single context” mean?
Vs current multi-context in Lucee (and one context in ACF)
Faster server startup
Web sites each have one
Fixing bad CFML defaults
Eg CFLocation AddToken = False is now default
Can set in application.cfc for any parameter eg CFMAIL, Datasource
Local mode
CFtimer tag - to time sections of code, returns the time taken
Favorite Lucee features
Cfscript islands
Pricing
Speed
To what level should Lucee diverge from ACF (if at all)?
Backwards compatibility
Both Lucee and ACF adding new features and learning from each other
Zac and Mart Takarta coordinate improvements
Community evangelists
Audience comment - backwards compatibility is important
Enterprise ACF vs open source Lucee
What was the first open source CFML engine
Early version of BlueDragon CFML? No
Smiths project from Switzerland
Mentioned in this episode
Lucee site
116 Lucee 6 Release Features, Behind-the-Scenes, With Zac Spitzer
12 factor apps https://12factor.net/
Lucee 6 demos for CFCamp https://github.com/lucee/CFCamp2023
Lucee support contracts
Listen to the Audio
Bios
Gert Franz
Gert was born in 1967 and lives in Switzerland since 1997. He is one of the key people behind Lucee. Back in the late eighties, he studied astrophysics in Munich but switched to later IT as a profession and programmed for several companies in the past as a database administrator and system analyst. Gert spoke a lot at all major conferences in the past and will for sure in the future. He is now a fellow at DistroKid.
Links
Email: [email protected]
Website: http://rasia.ch/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/gert_rasia
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gert-franz-4056807/
Charlie Arehart
A veteran server troubleshooter who’s worked in enterprise IT for more than three decades, Charlie Arehart (@carehart) is a longtime community contributor who as an independent consultant provides short-term, remote, on-demand troubleshooting/tuning assistance for organizations of all sizes and experience levels (carehart.org/consulting).
Links
Twitter: https://twitter.com/carehart
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/carehart
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carehart
Web: http://carehart.org/
Ben Nadel
Ben Nadel is the technical co-founder of InVision App, Inc - a digital product design platform used to make the world's best customer experiences. As the original CTO, Ben now spends his days as a Principal Engineer, leading maintenance and development efforts on InVision's legacy platform. This includes systems monitoring, database optimization, instrumentation, back-end work, front-end work, product ideation, and research-and-development. He envisions himself as a champion of the User Experience; and often advocates for the User even in the face of internal opposition.
Outside of work-hours, Ben wakes up at 5 am, seven days a week, so that he can attempt to stay on top of the rapidly changing world of web development. He uses these early-morning hours to read, conduct experiments, and write articles for his blog, BenNadel.com, which he has been running since 2006.
Links
LinkedIn: Ben Nadel | LinkedIn
Blog: Ben Nadel blog
Mark Drew
Mark Drew has been programming CFML since 1996, and even though he has had forays into Perl, ASP and PHP, he is still loving every line of code he has crafted with CFML.
He has been a strong advocate for open source, having worked on CFEclipse, Railo and now Lucee, as well as a number of other projects. He tries to create a pull request a day, to keep the bugs at bay.
By day he helps other developers as the lead devops engineer at DistroKid, making sure that the carefully crafted artesanal code goes from laptop to server in the shortest time whilst keeping all its flavour. By night he develops games with CMD:Studio.
He has been known to do a podcast too! called the Localhost Podcast in which we talk all about the web. He also talks about the process of making games on the Level Design Podcast
Links
Twitter: https://twitter.com/markdrew
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew
CFML Slack
Email: [email protected]
https://anchor.fm/leveldesign
https://localhost.fm/
Zac Spitzer
Senior Software Engineer @ Rasia
80% Technical Lead @ Pixl8
20% Community Manager @ Lucee Association Switzerland
Originally from Melbourne, Australia
Lives in Berlin, Germany
CFML Developer since 1996, Allaire CF 2.0
Links
https://twitter.com/zackster
https://dev.lucee.org/u/zackster/
https://github.com/zspitzer
Email [email protected]
Interview transcript
Michaela Light 0:01
welcome to the podcast. We’re coming here live from CF camp in Munich, Germany. And we have going to be talking about Lucee 6 the new release of Lucee CFML. And we’ve got some amazing experts here. But Mark true. who’s done a lot of Lucee coding at distro kid. Then we’ve got Charlie Earhart, the ColdFusion troubleshooter shooting expert or giving an independent view on Lucee. Then we’ve got Ben Nadal all the way from New York City. And he’s the top blogger among ColdFusion people according to our annual survey, and then we got good friends from Lucee Association, Switzerland, coming up at the end, but not least. And on the other screen, if you’re watching on video, we have some of the attendees from Sierra camp when we open the set. Yay, go attendee. And we’ll be opening up to audience questions later in the show. So why don’t we just start by just going through each of the four panelists and I'm just want to ask you, what are you most excited about in Lucee 6?
Gert Franz 1:09
That it’s here.
Well,