Avi and Sajid took the podcast on the road to the Capital Case Defense Seminar in Monterey, CA. This episode is an interview with Marc Bookman. Marc is the co-director of the Atlantic Center for Capital Representation in Philadelphia, PA. The interview focuses on Marc's work on behalf of Ricky Olds. Ricky was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole for being present at a homicide when he was 14. Marc tells Ricky's story and describes how he challenged Ricky's sentence after the Supreme Court decided Miller v. Alabama.

Marc's writing has been published in the Atlantic, Mother Jones, Slate, and Vice News. You can find his article about Ricky Olds here: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7bm9xe/ricky-olds-prison-juvenile-justice-sentencing-reform-america