In this episode, Rami sits down with Kathleen McGrail, Global Lead and Middle East Managing Director at WSP, to explore what real leadership looks like at the highest level.

Kathleen shares her journey from management consulting to leading leaders across regions, her philosophy on authentic leadership, how to build a compelling vision, and why managers control while true leaders influence.

She also opens up about navigating pressure, shaping global culture, and the resilience required to lead in today’s world.