Ashley & Kelsey open the Pandora's box that is the concept of "the guru." They speak about the experience of having a guru or guru-like figure in their lives, what it meant, and what that relationship was like. They discuss learning to trust themselves; the transformation of their own spiritual identities; abuse of power; guilt, shame, remorse, and taking full accountability to deconstruct and understand what landed them there in the first place.

They candidly share their personal answers to the questions: What does the concept of a guru mean to you? Is there a distinction between teacher and guru? Have you had experience with a guru, and how did that come to be? What did this experience provide you? What was your relationship to trust with this person? Did you ever ignore red flags or second guess yourself? Do you still have guru-like figures in your life?

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