Have you ever met someone and immediately connected with them? It almost felt like a divine appointment, like you were supposed to have met them.

I am so excited to have Kathe Wunnenberg back on the podcast. I interviewed her back in 2020 and we are going to share a little bit about how God has connected us. I just love His perfect timing as well as his fingerprints all over how our relationship began. I cannot wait for you to hear the wisdom from my mentor and hear how God's connections are powerful.

My book, Depth: Growing Through Heartbreak to Strength is releasing at the end of August. So this month, I wanted to share a little bit about the three storylines in the book. My miscarriage back in 2006 was my first heartbreak. Kathe's book, *Grieving the Child I Never Knew, was a big part of my healing and eventually I can trace back the beginning of my book ministry to this book! So, I hope you enjoy this conversation with Kathe! If you are interested in pre-ordering my book, here is a link to Depth on Amazon.

Also, I share more about my miscarriage and Baby Grace on an episode with my friend Yvonne, the very first year the podcast began. Here is a link to Depth Podcast Episode 5.

Lastly, I want to share a link to my first conversation with Kathe on the Depth Podcast back in 2020. Here is a link to Depth Podcast Episode 53.

Kathe Wunnenberg is the founder and president of Hopelifters Unlimited. She is a speaker, writer, leader, and connector known for her ability to offer creative solutions for real life problems. The author of *Hopelifter, *Grieving the Loss of a Loved One, and *Grieving the Child I Never Knew, Kathe lives in Phoenix, Arizona with her family.

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