This week on Anecdotally Speaking, we welcome back Shawn! And Mark shares the story of an incredibly successful but misguided campaign led by Mao Zedong, also known as Chairman Mao. It reminds us of the story Shawn shared in 132 – Wolves, cane toads and tubby ships: https://buff.ly/3cgYC7G

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Trigger warning: this story will be confronting for some people as it deals with the destruction of a species. If you’re likely to find this too upsetting, perhaps skip this episode, and we’ll welcome you back next week.