In this episode, I speak with Cecilia Li about Plato's criticisms of rhetoric as it was practiced in the 5th century BC. We also discuss the nature of political rule, and our discussion focuses on the Gorgias, although we bring up the Republic, Statesman, and Apology occasionally, too.

Host: Doug Campbell, an Assistant Professor in the Department of Philosophy at Alma College.

Interviewee: Cecilia Li, Assistant Professor at Huron University.

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