Devin, Sarah, and their son Tim visit cousin Ellen up in Holladay, Utah. After enjoying a wonderful dinner where Devin talked far too much about Ultimate Frisbee, Devin and Sarah sit down with Ellen, and her husband Chris.

Ellen talks about her parents and siblings, and where the Jacob family fits into the Andersen family, as well was what it was like being the middle of 11 children. Chris talks about how she and Ellen met before Devin shares several of the memories, stories, and impressions that he had gathered from Ellen's siblings and parents. Ellen shares stories of cousins, as well as a few stories of her miraculously being healed from paralysis and the Lord preserving her life.

Ellen then talks about removing the stigma to mental health and neurodiversity, and Chris and Ellen give advice on finding joy in the differences that our children and spouses may have.

Chris concludes the podcast by sharing the experience of visiting the Andersen family reunion and the incredible results of that visit.

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