For months, I did nothing but think about how much nothing I'd been doing. Because that felt easier than doing the thing that I knew I'd been avoiding (this podcast). My friend Catherine Smart--a cook with her own business and on TV, a writer, a mom--doesn't get stuck in that cycle. So I asked her what her secrets are (she's nice so she told me).

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