Empire Solar Group CEO Abby Buchmiller spent parts of childhood living in “camp trailers” with her family of nine. She didn’t finish traditional high school but still graduated faster than her peers. But all that moving around to places such as Alaska and Utah provided time for great character building, which has helped her navigate various bumps in business and life. Buchmiller talks with True Underdog Jayson Waller and co-host John LeBlanc about how she got into solar, and where her vision will take her next. Amid those discussions, you’ll be stunned how much Waller and Buchmiller are alike.

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