Frank Diaz is the Founder and Director of the Institute for Mindfulness-Based Wellness and Pedagogy and a professor at the Indiana University Jacobs School of Music. He is also Co-Director of the Music and Mind Lab and an Affiliate Member of the Cognitive Science Department at IU. Frank is also a recognized Zen Buddhist teacher and has taught secular and religious meditative practices to thousands of students across the United States. In this episode we talk about the uncertainties and pressures of living in a pandemic, measuring mindfulness and the MAAS test, the ties between music, meditation and mindfulness; Zen and the “don’t know mind”, the endurance of Zen’s tongue in cheek appreciation for the absurdity of existence, and more.

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