What do we do when life or work throws us a curveball? In her new book, productivity expert Grace Marshall explores ways we can reframe struggle as the place where the magic happens.

Grace is an author, keynote speaker, and a Productivity Ninja with the Think Productive team. In her conversation with Stephen, she uncovers ways we can hold plans and expectations less tightly, and how we can find joy in our work when we push ourselves a little out of our comfort zone.