The Rod and Staff podcast explores spiritual apathy with hosts Roger and Jason. They discuss what apathy looks like, common causes (ritual, distraction, unmet expectations, suffering), and practical ways to address it through the means of grace: Scripture, prayer, sacraments, and intentional spiritual rhythms.

Also recommended is Jonathan Gibson’s Be Thou My Vision: A Liturgy for Daily Worship as a tool to restore disciplined, meaningful daily devotion. Listeners are encouraged to seek steady, faithful engagement with God rather than chasing constant emotional highs.