In their podcast conversation, John Pinna and Elliot Toman discuss the evolution of religious freedom within the context of the Trump administrations. They examine how Trump 1.0 championed international religious freedom, while Trump 2.0 has shifted towards a focus on "religious liberty," specifically targeting anti-Christian bias, which prompts concerns about potential oppression. They analyze the shift in terminology noting the approval of a military battle plan by Trump's administration that targeted Muslims during prayer. Pinna and Toman debate whether this shift is due to Trump's personal convictions which they doubt, or the influence of certain constituencies wanting to promote religious liberty as it is framed. The conversation also explores political maneuvering and how this relates to current events regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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