In this insightful conversation, Nicole Poff and Kerry O’Grady discuss the importance of systemic improvement, the challenges of faculty-student dynamics, and the need for innovative curricular practices. Carrie shares her personal journey as an advocate for change, emphasizing the power of finding one’s voice and the crucial role of teaching centers in fostering effective learning environments. Together, they explore how collaboration, trust, and student-centered approaches can drive meaningful improvements, creating a higher education system that is more equitable, effective, and responsive to the needs of both students and educators.