In this episode, John Pinna has a conversation with Ani Zonneveld, founder and president of Muslims for Progressive Values (MPV). Zonneveld discusses the organization's founding in response to the narrow representation of American Muslims post-9/11 and the dominance of conservative Muslim organizations. She highlights MPV's commitment to "10 principles" rooted in the social justice values of the Quran, emphasizing human dignity for all, including LGBTQ+ individuals, and the importance of egalitarian spiritual leadership, including female imams. The discussion also touches on the shifting political landscape, the increasing alliance between the Christian and Muslim right based on "family values" as code for anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment, and the potential threats to public education through legal challenges rooted in religious liberty claims. Zonneveld contrasts progressive faith organizations, which advocate for the separation of religion and state and inclusive values, with conservative religious groups that utilize religion to justify discrimination. She shares personal anecdotes, including a powerful encounter with an orthodox imam that led to a change in perspective on LGBTQ+ dignity. Zonneveld also critiques the hypocrisy within interfaith circles and the lack of action on human rights issues by some religious organizations. She ultimately emphasizes the importance of operationalizing core Islamic values of social justice and universal human dignity and making these teachings accessible to the public to foster change from within the Muslim community.

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