Look. If memorizing protocols was the secret to being a great trainer, we'd all just hand out flashcards and call it a day. But that's not how this works, and deep down, you already know that.

Emily (she/they) and Ellen (she/her) are getting into the skills that actually make a difference, but aren’t found in any course catalog. It's what kicks in when the plan stops working, the client is struggling, and the dog just found a pine cone. Think of this as the protocol for when the protocols stop working. 😂

Whether you're a pet parent trying to figure out why something worked yesterday but not today, or a pro who's tired of spending money to realize you weren’t taught what to do in real life, with real pets, and real people, we made this one for you. 

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