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CardioNerds Rounds Co-Chair, Dr. Karan Desai, joins Dr. Michelle Kittleson (Director of Postgraduate Education in Heart Failure and Transplantation, Director of Heart Failure Research, and Professor of Medicine at the Smidt Heart Institute at Cedars-Sinai) to discuss challenging cases of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. As a guideline author on the 2020 ACC/AHA Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy Guidelines, Dr. Kittleson shows us how the latest evidence informs our management of HCM patients, while sharing many #Kittlesonrules and pearls on clinical care. Come round with us today by listening to the episodes now and joining future sessions of #CardsRounds!
This episode is supported with unrestricted funding from Zoll LifeVest. A special thank you to Mitzy Applegate and Ivan Chevere for their production skills that help make CardioNerds Rounds such an amazing success. All CardioNerds content is planned, produced, and reviewed solely by CardioNerds. Case details are altered to protect patient health information. CardioNerds Rounds is co-chaired by Dr. Karan Desai and Dr. Natalie Stokes.
Speaker disclosures: None
Cases discussed and Show Notes • References • Production Team
CardioNerds Rounds Page
CardioNerds Episode Page
CardioNerds Academy
Cardionerds Healy Honor Roll
CardioNerds Journal Club
Subscribe to The Heartbeat Newsletter!
Check out CardioNerds SWAG!
Become a CardioNerds Patron!
Case #1 Synopsis:
Two non-white brothers in their early 20s come to clinic to establish care. They have no cardiopulmonary symptoms, normal EKGs and normal echos, but there was a possible family history of HCM. Their mother had LV hypertrophy and underwent septal myectomy, but she could not afford genetic testing and was no longer in the patients’ lives. The path report suggested “myocyte hypertrophy without disarray or bundles of myocytes.” How would you advise these patients regarding screening and surveillance? Listen to #CardsRounds for the full details!
Quotes from Case #1:
“Let’s take a walk down memory lane and let’s get to our evolution of understanding hypertrophic cardiomyopathy… [our understanding] follows the parable of the six blind men and the elephant. Each of the six blind man approached it from different angles, its tusk, its ear, its tail, and they all try to convince each other what an elephant is … because none of them can see the big picture.”
“The next time you are sitting there mashing your teeth because you have to memorize what the HCM murmur does squat to stand, Valsalva, or handgrip … remember you are standing on the shoulder of Giants. They [Drs. Braunwald and Morrow] pioneered surgical myectomy based on physical exam and cath lab findings”
Takeaways from Case #1
Before we round, we think it is important to get on the same page regarding the nomenclature around HCM.
Do we use HCM to describe any LV that has thick walls?
Ok. We are with you on the terminology! But as you mentioned there are many disease states that can look like HCM. What are phenocopies?
So back to this case. It is possible the patients’ mother had a HCM phenocopy. And the pathology was not classic for HCM. What do the guidelines say regarding genetic screening in general?
How do we apply the guidelines regarding genetic screening to our patients?
How do we decide if a variant is pathogenic?
Case #2 Synopsis:
In this second case on HCM #CardsRounds, we saw a young woman in her 20s who was seeking a 2nd opinion regarding primary prevention ICD. She was diagnosed with HCM three years ago after a murmur was discovered on exam. Her echo demonstrated a septal wall thickness of 1.9 cm, LVOT gradient at 23 mmHg at baseline and 126 mmHg with treadmill stress. She was eventually referred for myectomy where 11 grams of myocardium was resected and her gradients improved significantly. She did well for two years and then had multiple syncopal episodes in the setting of a GI illness. Her repeat echo showed a maximal wall thickness of 2.6 cm, no LVOT obstruction at rest or provocation. She was referred for an ICD but wanted a 2nd opinion. You discover she does have a likely pathologic variant in the MYH7 gene, and both her mother and son have the variant. Her mother had NSVT and so will be receiving an ICD. She had a maternal half-brother who passed away from possible overdose but autopsy was suggestive of HCM (with genetic testing still in the works). She underwent a 7-day Holter with no NSVT. Just before this visit she had an MRI which suggested 8-12% late gadolinium enhancement, a hypertrophied septum and LV apical wall thinning (likely not a true aneurysm).
Case #2 Quotes:
“Let’s talk about Sudden Death risk stratification in HCM, or basically, how do you predict the future?”
“If something doesn’t make sense. You go to the source! Speak to your whole team. Help me, help you, help the patient!”
“One fantastic component of the 2020 HCM guidelines is the explicit recommendation for shared decision-making with a full disclosure of risks, benefits, anticipated outcomes and the patient expresses their goals and concerns. But let us not forget, that shared decision-making is not an excuse to abdicate medical decision making. It is still your responsibility to provide a medical recommendation … and then work with the patient to see how that medical opinion fits in with the patient’s values and goals.”
Takeaways Case #2
How do we make a decision for ICD in HCM patients? How do the new guidelines differ?
How often should we screen for clinical factors that would increase risk for SCD? What are some nuances we should be aware of?
Based on the above criteria, how would you advise our patient?
Case #3 Synopsis:
A woman in her early 30s comes to an HCM Center of Excellence to establish care. She was diagnosed with HCM without obstruction one year prior. She initially presented with exertional dyspnea, and eventually MRI revealed HCM without obstruction, maximal wall thickness with 2.5 cm and no LGE. Her father passed away at age 50 from an “MI.” Her genotyping was negative. Soon after she was having recurrent episodes of syncope and a loop recorder was placed. She came for follow was now 4 months pregnant. Just before the visit she felt pre-syncopal and Loop revealed SVT at rates of 150s. Then at 6 months pregnant, patient had one 10-beat run of NSVT at rate of 180 bpm. How would you advise this patient?
Case #3 Quotes:
“One of my most important ways of preventing burnout in medicine – is to phone a friend, to ask for help, to talk about cases with trusted colleagues.”
Case #3 Takeaways:
How does HCM care differ in pregnant patients per the guidelines?
How would you advise this patient regarding ICD?
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By CardioNerdsCardioNerds Rounds Co-Chair, Dr. Karan Desai, joins Dr. Michelle Kittleson (Director of Postgraduate Education in Heart Failure and Transplantation, Director of Heart Failure Research, and Professor of Medicine at the Smidt Heart Institute at Cedars-Sinai) to discuss challenging cases of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. As a guideline author on the 2020 ACC/AHA Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy Guidelines, Dr. Kittleson shows us how the latest evidence informs our management of HCM patients, while sharing many #Kittlesonrules and pearls on clinical care. Come round with us today by listening to the episodes now and joining future sessions of #CardsRounds!
This episode is supported with unrestricted funding from Zoll LifeVest. A special thank you to Mitzy Applegate and Ivan Chevere for their production skills that help make CardioNerds Rounds such an amazing success. All CardioNerds content is planned, produced, and reviewed solely by CardioNerds. Case details are altered to protect patient health information. CardioNerds Rounds is co-chaired by Dr. Karan Desai and Dr. Natalie Stokes.
Speaker disclosures: None
Cases discussed and Show Notes • References • Production Team
CardioNerds Rounds Page
CardioNerds Episode Page
CardioNerds Academy
Cardionerds Healy Honor Roll
CardioNerds Journal Club
Subscribe to The Heartbeat Newsletter!
Check out CardioNerds SWAG!
Become a CardioNerds Patron!
Case #1 Synopsis:
Two non-white brothers in their early 20s come to clinic to establish care. They have no cardiopulmonary symptoms, normal EKGs and normal echos, but there was a possible family history of HCM. Their mother had LV hypertrophy and underwent septal myectomy, but she could not afford genetic testing and was no longer in the patients’ lives. The path report suggested “myocyte hypertrophy without disarray or bundles of myocytes.” How would you advise these patients regarding screening and surveillance? Listen to #CardsRounds for the full details!
Quotes from Case #1:
“Let’s take a walk down memory lane and let’s get to our evolution of understanding hypertrophic cardiomyopathy… [our understanding] follows the parable of the six blind men and the elephant. Each of the six blind man approached it from different angles, its tusk, its ear, its tail, and they all try to convince each other what an elephant is … because none of them can see the big picture.”
“The next time you are sitting there mashing your teeth because you have to memorize what the HCM murmur does squat to stand, Valsalva, or handgrip … remember you are standing on the shoulder of Giants. They [Drs. Braunwald and Morrow] pioneered surgical myectomy based on physical exam and cath lab findings”
Takeaways from Case #1
Before we round, we think it is important to get on the same page regarding the nomenclature around HCM.
Do we use HCM to describe any LV that has thick walls?
Ok. We are with you on the terminology! But as you mentioned there are many disease states that can look like HCM. What are phenocopies?
So back to this case. It is possible the patients’ mother had a HCM phenocopy. And the pathology was not classic for HCM. What do the guidelines say regarding genetic screening in general?
How do we apply the guidelines regarding genetic screening to our patients?
How do we decide if a variant is pathogenic?
Case #2 Synopsis:
In this second case on HCM #CardsRounds, we saw a young woman in her 20s who was seeking a 2nd opinion regarding primary prevention ICD. She was diagnosed with HCM three years ago after a murmur was discovered on exam. Her echo demonstrated a septal wall thickness of 1.9 cm, LVOT gradient at 23 mmHg at baseline and 126 mmHg with treadmill stress. She was eventually referred for myectomy where 11 grams of myocardium was resected and her gradients improved significantly. She did well for two years and then had multiple syncopal episodes in the setting of a GI illness. Her repeat echo showed a maximal wall thickness of 2.6 cm, no LVOT obstruction at rest or provocation. She was referred for an ICD but wanted a 2nd opinion. You discover she does have a likely pathologic variant in the MYH7 gene, and both her mother and son have the variant. Her mother had NSVT and so will be receiving an ICD. She had a maternal half-brother who passed away from possible overdose but autopsy was suggestive of HCM (with genetic testing still in the works). She underwent a 7-day Holter with no NSVT. Just before this visit she had an MRI which suggested 8-12% late gadolinium enhancement, a hypertrophied septum and LV apical wall thinning (likely not a true aneurysm).
Case #2 Quotes:
“Let’s talk about Sudden Death risk stratification in HCM, or basically, how do you predict the future?”
“If something doesn’t make sense. You go to the source! Speak to your whole team. Help me, help you, help the patient!”
“One fantastic component of the 2020 HCM guidelines is the explicit recommendation for shared decision-making with a full disclosure of risks, benefits, anticipated outcomes and the patient expresses their goals and concerns. But let us not forget, that shared decision-making is not an excuse to abdicate medical decision making. It is still your responsibility to provide a medical recommendation … and then work with the patient to see how that medical opinion fits in with the patient’s values and goals.”
Takeaways Case #2
How do we make a decision for ICD in HCM patients? How do the new guidelines differ?
How often should we screen for clinical factors that would increase risk for SCD? What are some nuances we should be aware of?
Based on the above criteria, how would you advise our patient?
Case #3 Synopsis:
A woman in her early 30s comes to an HCM Center of Excellence to establish care. She was diagnosed with HCM without obstruction one year prior. She initially presented with exertional dyspnea, and eventually MRI revealed HCM without obstruction, maximal wall thickness with 2.5 cm and no LGE. Her father passed away at age 50 from an “MI.” Her genotyping was negative. Soon after she was having recurrent episodes of syncope and a loop recorder was placed. She came for follow was now 4 months pregnant. Just before the visit she felt pre-syncopal and Loop revealed SVT at rates of 150s. Then at 6 months pregnant, patient had one 10-beat run of NSVT at rate of 180 bpm. How would you advise this patient?
Case #3 Quotes:
“One of my most important ways of preventing burnout in medicine – is to phone a friend, to ask for help, to talk about cases with trusted colleagues.”
Case #3 Takeaways:
How does HCM care differ in pregnant patients per the guidelines?
How would you advise this patient regarding ICD?
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