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168: Steve J. Martin - The small BIG
**Summary:**
In Episode #168 Ari speaks with Steve J. Martin, master of persuasion and Co-Author of [The small BIG](http://amzn.to/1TmvHhB). During this interview, Ari and Steve cover the science of persuasion, the importance of ethics and the paradox of neutrality.
**Special Announcements:**
## Fuel the Fire
Come watch Ari light-up the Drake Hotel in Chicago on Wednesday, August 5th as he delivers a rousing keynote speech for IPPA Business Excellence Conference: _Fuel the Fire_. This will be a great opportunity to watch Ari translate the lessons of Less Doing into terms business leaders can take to the bank.
## [Rockefeller Roundtable](http://helmsociety.com/ari-meisel-ceo-roundtable-nc/)
Come watch Ari regale a roundtable of avid [Helm Society](http://helmsociety.com/) listeners with the lessons of Less Doing on September 9th from 10AM to 2PM in New York City.
## Subscribe to the Podcast or [Leave Us a Review!](https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/ari-meisel-less-doing/id605938952?mt=2&uo=6)
Hey Less Doing Podcast Listeners, we want to hear from YOU! Visit us on iTunes and leave a review or subscribe to the podcast if you’re not already a dedicated follower.
**Time Stamped Show Notes:**
- 13:57 – Introduction of Steve J. Martin of
- 14:48 – How Steve got started in the art of persuasion
- 15:15 – Measuring the skill of sales teams
- 16:14 – Sometimes success is all about being in a good place at the right time
- 17:04 – There is no neutrality with influence and persuasion
- 17:38 – Be honest, be ethical
- 18:58 – Our response to being manipulated isn’t to the tactic used, it’s to the manipulator
- 21:43 – We want more of the things we can have less of
- 22:33 – Scarcity confers value
- 24:18 – Typically, following what others like us have done is an efficient way to make decisions
- 24:37 – Find shortcuts to make less decisions
- 26:40 – Beware of testimonials
- 28:12 – Knowing the principles of persuasion doesn’t empower you to avoid them
- 29:25 – Steve’s upcoming projects
- 31:04 – Small tweaks can lead to big effects
- 35:07 – What makes people _want _to give online businesses their contact information
- 35:23 – The give and take effect
- 37:19 – Steve’s _Top 3 Tips to be More Effective_
- 37:35 –Understand and learn the 3 keys of human motivation
- 38:48 – Do not dismiss the power of small things
- 39:45 – Be human
- 41:21 – [Science and persuasion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFdCzN7RYbw)
**7 Key Points:**
1. Find shortcuts to make fewer decisions.
2. Small changes can have massive impact.
3. Scarcity convers value.
4. We live in an information age—we do not live in a knowledge age.
5. Never lose sight of your humanity.
6. Luck plays a role in everything.
7. Be honest and ethical.
**Resources Mentioned:**
- [Timeagram](http://www.timeagram.com/?ref=producthunt) – Enables users to schedule their post to Instagram
- [Retroospect](https://www.retroospect.com/) – Walks users through their previous work week to determine the best days and times for productivity, etc.
- [99u](http://99u.com/articles/42643/the-4-types-of-productivity-styles) – The four types of productivity styles
- [19 Go-To Foods for a Healthy Pantry](http://www.bengreenfieldfitness.com/2015/06/what-are-the-best-healthy-pantry-foods/) – From Ben Greenfield fitness, 19 foods to live a happier, healthier life
- [Best Conditions for a Unicorn](http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/13/the-best-known-conditions-for-a-unicorn/?ncid=rss) – From Tech Crunch, an article highlighting the best conditions to create a “unicorn” of a company
- [Handwriting.IO](https://www.handwriting.io/?ref=producthunt) – A programming API that provides digital handwriting
- [Breathometer](https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/breathometer-mint-for-breath-quality-and-hydration#/story) – An Indigogo campaign, a device designed to measure oral health
- [Counsyl](https://www.counsyl.com/) – A family-prep service to help people who want t
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By Ari Meisel**Summary:**
In Episode #168 Ari speaks with Steve J. Martin, master of persuasion and Co-Author of [The small BIG](http://amzn.to/1TmvHhB). During this interview, Ari and Steve cover the science of persuasion, the importance of ethics and the paradox of neutrality.
**Special Announcements:**
## Fuel the Fire
Come watch Ari light-up the Drake Hotel in Chicago on Wednesday, August 5th as he delivers a rousing keynote speech for IPPA Business Excellence Conference: _Fuel the Fire_. This will be a great opportunity to watch Ari translate the lessons of Less Doing into terms business leaders can take to the bank.
## [Rockefeller Roundtable](http://helmsociety.com/ari-meisel-ceo-roundtable-nc/)
Come watch Ari regale a roundtable of avid [Helm Society](http://helmsociety.com/) listeners with the lessons of Less Doing on September 9th from 10AM to 2PM in New York City.
## Subscribe to the Podcast or [Leave Us a Review!](https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/ari-meisel-less-doing/id605938952?mt=2&uo=6)
Hey Less Doing Podcast Listeners, we want to hear from YOU! Visit us on iTunes and leave a review or subscribe to the podcast if you’re not already a dedicated follower.
**Time Stamped Show Notes:**
- 13:57 – Introduction of Steve J. Martin of
- 14:48 – How Steve got started in the art of persuasion
- 15:15 – Measuring the skill of sales teams
- 16:14 – Sometimes success is all about being in a good place at the right time
- 17:04 – There is no neutrality with influence and persuasion
- 17:38 – Be honest, be ethical
- 18:58 – Our response to being manipulated isn’t to the tactic used, it’s to the manipulator
- 21:43 – We want more of the things we can have less of
- 22:33 – Scarcity confers value
- 24:18 – Typically, following what others like us have done is an efficient way to make decisions
- 24:37 – Find shortcuts to make less decisions
- 26:40 – Beware of testimonials
- 28:12 – Knowing the principles of persuasion doesn’t empower you to avoid them
- 29:25 – Steve’s upcoming projects
- 31:04 – Small tweaks can lead to big effects
- 35:07 – What makes people _want _to give online businesses their contact information
- 35:23 – The give and take effect
- 37:19 – Steve’s _Top 3 Tips to be More Effective_
- 37:35 –Understand and learn the 3 keys of human motivation
- 38:48 – Do not dismiss the power of small things
- 39:45 – Be human
- 41:21 – [Science and persuasion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFdCzN7RYbw)
**7 Key Points:**
1. Find shortcuts to make fewer decisions.
2. Small changes can have massive impact.
3. Scarcity convers value.
4. We live in an information age—we do not live in a knowledge age.
5. Never lose sight of your humanity.
6. Luck plays a role in everything.
7. Be honest and ethical.
**Resources Mentioned:**
- [Timeagram](http://www.timeagram.com/?ref=producthunt) – Enables users to schedule their post to Instagram
- [Retroospect](https://www.retroospect.com/) – Walks users through their previous work week to determine the best days and times for productivity, etc.
- [99u](http://99u.com/articles/42643/the-4-types-of-productivity-styles) – The four types of productivity styles
- [19 Go-To Foods for a Healthy Pantry](http://www.bengreenfieldfitness.com/2015/06/what-are-the-best-healthy-pantry-foods/) – From Ben Greenfield fitness, 19 foods to live a happier, healthier life
- [Best Conditions for a Unicorn](http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/13/the-best-known-conditions-for-a-unicorn/?ncid=rss) – From Tech Crunch, an article highlighting the best conditions to create a “unicorn” of a company
- [Handwriting.IO](https://www.handwriting.io/?ref=producthunt) – A programming API that provides digital handwriting
- [Breathometer](https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/breathometer-mint-for-breath-quality-and-hydration#/story) – An Indigogo campaign, a device designed to measure oral health
- [Counsyl](https://www.counsyl.com/) – A family-prep service to help people who want t
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