What stays with us isn’t always the systems, the policies, or the structures - it’s the people who showed up when we needed them most.

In this episode of The Bold Blueprint, Barbi and Jamie sit down with Narelle Gurney - Jamie’s former caseworker during his teenage years in refuge, and someone who went on to spend more than a decade with The Salvation Army in Malawi.

We talk about:

· The torchbearers in dark times, and why one safe supportive relationship can change everything.

· What 11 years in Malawi revealed about poverty, simplicity, and why communities there are “relationally rich.”

· Why slowing down, being present, and creating space for children and young people is more powerful than any policy.

This is a conversation about the kind of impact that lasts - the human side of leadership, belonging, and connection across continents.

👉 Listen in if you’ve ever wondered whether one person, or one moment, can really change the course of a life and how you approach your day to day.