[Download this episode](http://www.buzzsprout.com/15622/107242-bootstrapped-episode-17-special-guest-rachel-andrew.mp3 "Bootstrapped.fm episode 17"), in which Ian and Andrey sit down with special guest [Rachel Andrew](http://rachelandrew.co.uk/ "Rachel Andrew") from [EdgeOfMySeat.com](http://www.edgeofmyseat.com/ "EdgeOfMySeat.com"), to discuss [Perch](http://grabaperch.com/ "Perch"), the really little CMS, the new [Bootstrapped.fm forums](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm "Bootstrapped.fm Forums"), marketing, customer support, product dependencies, how important personal visibility is to your business, content management systems, writing and speaking, and self-publishing. [Rachel Andrew](http://rachelandrew.co.uk/ "Rachel Andrew") [Perch: the really little CMS](http://grabaperch.com/ "Perch") - Rachel's product. [EdgeOfMySeat.com](http://www.edgeofmyseat.com/ "EdgeOfMySeat.com") - Rachel's company. [Drew McLellan](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm/users/drewm/activity "Drew McLellan") - Rachel's husband and business partner. [Drew on 24 Ways](http://24ways.org/authors/drewmclellan/). [The Perch Podcast](http://grabaperch.com/blog/tags/podcast "The Perch Podcast") [Bootstrapped.fm Forums](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm "Bootstrapped.fm forums") The [Perch website](http://grabaperch.com/ "Perch") was designed by Paddy Donnelly of [Lefft](http://lefft.com/ "Lefft"). The birds were drawn by [Kev Adamson](http://kevadamson.com/ "Kev Adamson"). Rachel will have a [workshop on Shipping Your Product](http://futureofwebapps.com/london-2013/schedule/workshops/ "Rachel's workshop at the Future of Web Apps") at the Future of Web Apps. She also has a [version of the workshop](https://shop.smashingmagazine.com/smashing-workshop-shipping-your-product-freiburg.html "Rachel Andrew's workshop") available as a Smashing Workshop. Big thanks to [Mike Jones](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm/users/imsickofmaps/activity "Mike Jones"), for making [http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm) come alive. [Discourse](http://www.discourse.org/ "Discourse") - forum software. Discussion on [serving different sections of the market for one product](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm/t/serving-different-sections-of-the-market-for-one-product/70). Discussion regarding [MachForm, and their free installation offer](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm/t/hi-im-yuniar-of-machform-indonesia/124). Rachel's presentation (video) on [Things Learned While Supporting Perch](http://vimeo.com/67514783 "Things Learned While Supporting Perch").