Seja talks to her guest Tim Levinson (Urthboy) about being embarrassing in front of Paul Kelly, the ups and downs of touring and how easy it is to use alcohol as a coping mechanism. They chat about bad reviews, how they reconcile liking sexist rap songs and the intricacies of sample clearance.

Tim’s strange show story is illustrated by Brisbane artist Adam Lester. All podcast illustrations can be seen on instagram @hearsejpodcast or on the HearSej Facebook page.