Sam invites Legendary inventor Misha and Technologist Walid to discuss the freaky monsters and caves in Patrick Stuart's Veins of the Earth. Join the guys's descent into madness as they parse poetic descriptions, tackle "the sublime", and figure out what it means to move in a cave.

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