Hosts Julie Slater and Jason Friday chat with full-time leather-crafter Isaac Paul who is based in Denver, Colorado…His brand “Pigeon Tree” specializes in handcrafted custom made belts and indigo-dyed leather goods…Pigeon Tree is a true one-man operation; everything including the crafting of the goods, the photography and web design, and the customer interfacing is accomplished by Isaac under the roof of his home studio….we talk about the amazing (lol) weather in Denver and how fun it is to look on Zillow to escape…how he got his start (thanks to his family) in the movie industry but decided that wasn’t for him…Isaac’s Pay After Viewing business model he worked on for a year…his interest in “slow fashion” and how he got into belt making - the history of the his patented “double prong quick release buckle”…Isaac’s Etsy beginnings…more on how he got a patent…the story behind Isaac giving actor Jason Momoa (Aquaman, Dune, Game of Thrones, etc.) one of his belts and finding Jason wearing it in press photos…we chat about us all going together on our first cruise ever in December - Virgin Voyages…reminiscing when Isaac was working the band Lionhart and Julie played their song “Fire in the Sea” on the radio…what’s next for Isaac and Pigeon Tree….

IT’S 5 O’CLOCK SOMEWHERE: find out, besides people, the biggest thing Isaac misses about LA…who he saw first at Red Rock Ampitheatre in Denver…the one thing that surprised him (in a good way) about going on a cruise…one activity on his bucket list…and what kind of legacy he hopes to leave behind with his leather goods.

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- jULIE AND jASON