Kenny Wiley and Lena K. Gardner join us from the Black Lives of UU organizing collective. What a full and deep conversation about immigration, the threats to penalize protestors and how that will change organizing tactics, the need to move from reactionary to visionary, the life-giving form of creativity around resistance. Plus, Kenny, Lena and host Aisha Hauser made a passionate and compassionate call for white UUs to step up both their internal and external work around anti-racism and anti-oppression.