Listen in as Travis is joined by Chris and Toby, part of the team behind "Beyond Binary Thinking" - a podcast where they try to discuss a path through the simplistic and tribalistic binary of whatever debates they find worth having. Join them as they share international perspectives on contemporary US presidential politics and learn why one of them thinks Tucker Carlson could be the 47th President of the United States.

You can find Chris & Toby's show on all major podcast platforms which they have conveniently linked for you on their website: beyondbinarythinking.com

You can also follow them across social media - @beyondbinarypodcast on Facebook & @beyondbinarypod on Twitter - and join in their conversation!