In this episode, Aaron and Barry trade seats as Barry interviews his son about his new book, Character Matters: Shepherding in the Fruit of the Spirit.

Barry is a Jewish, agnostic, literature professor. Aaron is an evangelical, Baptist, pastor. Let’s just say Barry isn’t the target for Aaron’s book about how Christians can grow to be more like Christ!

The questions in this episode touch on everything from Aaron’s venture into ministry, the definition of godliness, whether non-Christians can be sanctified, and what Calvinism might have to do with any of this.

It’s a fascinating conversation between a father and son who disagree in love. Listen in.