Steve Sanders is the Metro Director Cleveland FCA, an internationally known speaker and a former NFL wide receiver. On this first part of a two part conversation Steve talks with us about the perils of pride and his book "Training Camp For Life."

To find out more about Steve Sanders' work and to purchase the book "Traning Camp For Life" visit: www.trainingcampforlife.org

For more information on Fellowship of Christian Athletes: FCA www.fca.org Cleveland FCA clevelandfca.org

Hosts: Rob Walgate & Alan C. Duncan Recording, Editing, Mixing: Alan C. Duncan Theme Music: Alan C. Duncan & Alex Hitchens

The Pine is a production of the American Policy Roundtable.