2024 was exciting, fascinating, exhausting and grueling all at the same time. It will go down in the history books as the year in which artificial intelligence can write and produce music like us humans. 12 months in which there was much discussion about how artists should be paid for their music in data sets. Some even said that the question should be asked whether they should be paid at all. To discuss all this again, I got my friend Matthias Strobel on the mic. Matthias is the President of MusicTech Germany, the Federal Association for Music Technology. Together we look back...and a little forward.