# Episode 182

**Summary:**

In Episode #182 Ari – fresh off the Labor Day Weekend – interviews Russ Perry of [Design Pickle](http://www.designpickle.com/), the company that’s turning the world of graphic design on its head in favor of the consumer. Listen as Ari and Russ talk entrepreneurship, Optimized Dad, and discuss what makes outsourcing so effective.

**Special Announcements:**

## [Rockefeller Roundtable](http://helmsociety.com/ari-meisel-ceo-roundtable-nc/)

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