Kev is luxuriating in Bunker Malmesbury, Neale is in the studio, though it's business as usual with your questions. This week, is there any point to IBIS when films today are as 'Shaky' as an 80s pop star singing Green Door? We talk about taking on a part time job if wedding work gets shifted again, whether we could return to a time which necessitates shooting with film cameras only, Clubhouse, the banning of street shooting and we debate fine art photography; what is it? The boys tempt a lifelong Nikon shooter with a shopping list, we sort out the black and white simulation options in camera, and discuss perfect pancakes of the lens variety. The book of the week is Todd Hido's 'On Landscapes, Interiors and The Nude' and our Friend of the Show interview is with Steve Vaughan.