Connie Malamed and Judy delved much more into design thinking and applying it to that voo-doo that we do…with sprinkles of Tin Can, knowing when you’re done, and egos.

We even talked about tools a bit — for wireframing, prototyping, and user testing.

By the way, if you’re enjoying these more design-related episodes, be sure to check out Emergent Radio’s newest podcast: Designing Opinion.

Judy drank water. (Back off… she’s on antibiotics.)

Connie drank Sweet Wild Berry Zinger Ice Herbal Tea from Celestial Seasonings.