Matt Smith, the principal of arguably NSW's most interesting school joins me for a chat this week, to talk about unhealthy coping mechanisms for teachers, which may or may not include a 3-day winery trip for him and the staff at Redfern Jarjum College, why standing up for yourself in front of parents can be a real challenge, and the highs and lows of leadership. Learn more about Redfern Jarjum College at their website rjc.nsw.edu.au and donate if you can!