Today I’m talking with my best friend from high school Pace Gatherer who is a fine artist and currently studying for her masters in marriage and family therapy. She’ll be joining me throughout this podcast to discuss lots of interesting topics. In this episode we discuss the topic of play, and how it can be an antidote for being stuck in life. It’s an appropriate topic since I have been wanting to restart this podcast for a while, but was getting caught up in my own perfectionism. Having this conversation was a taste of my own medicine, and helped remind me to follow the fun, make it playful and that putting something out messy is better than not doing it. Hopefully this conversation will be helpful for you as well!