For episode #4 of Understanding In A Podcast Andy Freedman and I are joined by my old friend Blake Higdon (@october_blood) to discuss Thursday's 4th album A City By The Light Divided. This show as Blake's idea - it was his suggestion that we do a Thursday podcast and I am very grateful to him for reminding me how much I love this band's music.

This album is a big growth of the band's sound and we mostly love it more than ever now that it is fifteen years old. We also talk about Rockstar Energy drinks, Thrice, Manchester Orchestra, Murder By Death, Circa Survive, and The Sopranos, Andy's trip to Atlantic City for Sopranos Con, and THE EMPTY MAN.