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In this episode, the hosts discuss the complexities and frustrations of deployment automation and DevOps, particularly focusing on the challenges faced with makefiles, continuous integration (CI) processes, and build systems.

They explore tools like ZX from Google and Oclif from Salesforce to find better solutions for running and organizing commands. The conversation also touches on the difficulties of maintaining older legacy systems like ColdFusion.

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With audio editing and engineering by ZCross Media.

Full show notes and transcript here.