Charis and Eugene talk about the attitude of the team behind the Italian luxury fashion brand Brunello Cucinelli toward growth and family business. They also discuss the conviction of Elizabeth Holmes, former founder and CEO of the health tech company Theranos, in a trial that ended in January.

00:04:19 Brunello Cucinelli

00:23:47 Theranos

Brunello Cucinelli says 2021 growth spurt “not rational” by Luke Leitch

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