Audio source: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/intelligence-squared/the-sunday-debate-brave-new-usI2DpLUHQ0/ (55 mins in)
Full debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31CcclqEiZw

Part 2 is next: https://swyx.transistor.fm/episodes/1984-vs-brave-new-world-pt-2-intelligence-squared

Loki vs 1984: https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1419128271799656449
Aldous Huxley's comments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley