They start by taking about Jay's recent visit to Washington DC to disrupt the inauguration and to participate in the Women's March. Tom provides a footnote to open source activism and talks about what he would like to see in terms of the strength of discourse. Jay raises the size of crowds and Tom talks about some of the science behind this. Sean Spicer is impossible to ignore. Tom puts his experience in San Jose up for analysis. Jay provides a great insight on her time in DC with an example of strategic use of privilege. Under Jay's instigation they return to Assange and the Russians. Tom gives some analysis on Grizzly Steppe. [Note: Unfortunately there were various technical difficulties which cut a small portion of the recording.] Tom concludes the recording with a reflection on the inevitability of war.