On episode 2 of Big White Elephants, Grace and Scott take a surrey with the fringe on top to the box social to discuss Fred Zinnemann's adaption of the Rogers and Hammerstein classic Oklahoma (1955). We get into Todd-AO, dream ballets, incels, and--somehow--Jeremy Jordan gets mentioned again. 

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Here's the essay Grace mentioned by Christopher Bannow about his experience playing Jud Fry on the National Tour of Oklahoma!: Surviving in the States: Audience Rejection on the Road with Oklahoma!