Oren Cass, author of The Once and Future Worker, says we've gone too far in our college-going culture, steering too many students down a postsecondary pathway that only serves about one-third of our population. It's time, he says, to destigmatize vocational and technical education, to create and fund alternative pathways between high school and the workplace, and to fill millions of jobs that don't, or shouldn't, require a college degree.

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